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| we can sin but the Church can't the Spiritrual Churnch ( the body of Christ can't sin ) but the catholic or any others church will fall in sin, Paul conmended us to Cut off those that commit sins or remain life style in sinful as Catholic Priests who molesters childrens, Jesus also Said: if your hand do sin cut it off, if your eye sin pull it out so that way you can go heaven rather have two hand go hell, yes we all sinners but before God accepted us we must be clean by the blood of Jesus, so that we can be Body of Christ santifice and Holy, sin just like cancer in our body, when we have it we must cutt it off from our body or it will destroy us! the Body of Christ the Church can't be sin?? 　 Hi, Thanks for the response. We; all Catholics, ARE the "body of Christ" and yes we can and do sin as sinning is the "natural condition" of all humanity. The "unnatural condition then is to, with God's grace AVOID sin. Possible only with God’s help and our determination. Even with grace; “natural men†often fall into some level of sin. 1John.1 Verses 8 to 10 "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." 1John.5 Verses 16 to 17 "If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal. John.20 Verses 20 to 23 " When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you." And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained" I don’t recall where Paul advises us to “cut [ourselves from] off†sinners. To not associate with them unnecessarily- socially perhaps? But Christ Himself tells us: Matt.9:12- 13 “But when he heard it, he said, "Those who are well have no need [without sin] of a physician, but those who are sick [sinners]†“Go and learn what this means, `I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.' For I came not to call the righteous, but sinners." Mark.2: 17 “And when Jesus heard it, he said to them, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick; I came not to call the righteous, but sinners." Certainly these priest are EVIL-sinners. But are they any worse than ones who has a abortion; or denies God; or does not give to God his Just Worship? NOT in God’s eye. Matt.7: 1 "Judge not, that you be not judged†and this: John.7: 24 “Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment." The passages you quote from Paul to “cut off this or that†ARE NOT LITERAL. What they teach is our GRAVE-moral obligation to AVOID “the near occasion and temptation to sin.†THAT my friend is the lesson being taught here. How anyone is “cleaned by the Blood of Christ†is these day’s seemingly a matter of personal choice. BUT my friend as the passages I shared above from First John, and John 20: that is NOT God’s way; and THERFORE the ONLY way it actually is going to happen. Jesus Instituted the Catholic Sacrament of Confession for this very reason; and it remains the ONLY acceptable manner [other than initial Baptism, which removes all PRIOR sins.] I DID say “the Church†meaning the Catholic Church CANNOT sin as an absolute impossibility. I did NOT say “the body of Christ†cannot nor does not sin. God Bless you, pat From: LEIN TRINH <lientcnguyen@...> To: catholicquestions@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 1:36 PM Subject: Re: Catholic Questions Trent an In Dept study part 3 we can sin but the Church can't the Spiritrual Churnch ( thebody of Christ can't sin ) but the catholic or any others church will fall in sin, Paul conmended us to Cut off those that commit sins or remain life style in sinful as Catholic Priests who molesters childrens, Jesus also Said: if your hand do sin cut it off, if your eye sin pull it out so that way you can go heaven rather have two hand go hell, yes we all sinners but before God accepted us we must be clean by the blood of Jesus, so that we can be Body of Christ santifice and Holy, sin just like cancer in our body, when we have it we must cutt it off from our body or it will destroy us! the Body of Christ the Church can't be sin?? 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Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Dr. R.C. Sproul: It's Sin For A Born Again Christian To Remain With Roma...ask patrick j miron
can the catholic schurch sin?
how to do spirit anointed writing--
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     7 Reasons to subscribe to "God's Voice Worldwide" Enter your email address above, then click Suscribe. (BellSouth users click here!) Prefer a plain text newsletter? | How to Write a Lamad-Style Book© By Mark and Patti Virkler The outline of this short article:Stage One: Start with a real life story. Stage Two: Prepare an outline. Stage Three: Write the book (revising several times).
Stage Four: Add personal application questions. Stage Five: Get critiques and endorsements. Stage Six: Turn it over to proofers and editors. Stage Seven: Copyright, publish and market. Stage One: Start with a real life story.
Stage Two: Prepare an outline.
Stage Three: Write the book.
Left brain functions include: reason, analysis, logic, spoken words. The indwelling Holy Spirit is sensed as "flow:"
One must know how to change hemispheres based on which hemisphere is needed for the job he is doing, and also how to tune to the "flow" of the Holy Spirit within him. (These skills are taught in the book Communion with God by Mark and Patti Virkler.) 1. Write using the RIGHT hemisphere - following the anointing. I always begin my writing projects by moving to the right hemisphere and writing out of "flow." The right hemisphere is where creativity, spirit, flow, pictures and emotions originate and are registered. I want my book to have all of these. My book must come from the river of God within my heart. Therefore, I pray, asking God to anoint my writing, I establish an attitude of faith in the Spirit’s flow which resides within me, and I tune to flow and begin writing in faith. I trust the Holy Spirit to "bubble up" to my attention those things which should be written, and in the order that they should be written, if I keep a picture in the back of my mind of Jesus speaking to the intended reader through me, as discussed in the section below. Since music is a right-brain function, SOFT classical music or string music may help you tune to flow. However, don’t use songs with words. Speech, you may recall, is a left-brain function. If your background music has words being sung or if you know words to it, it will probably be counter-productive to your goal of tuning to heart flow. The words will keep pulling you back to the left hemisphere and disrupting the flow. Principle: Use vision to move to the right hemisphere and to purify the flow within. Vision is a right-brain function, so one can easily move from the left hemisphere to the right by holding a picture in his mind as he writes. Principle: "The flow" is directed by the vision being held before one’s eyes. Since my goal is to bring the revelation of God to the hearts and lives of my readers, I have a picture of God communicating to the people to whom I am writing. I hold this picture (i.e. of Jesus speaking to the intended audience) in the back of my mind as I write. This causes the book to have an anointing and a flow, because I am constantly in the state of vision and "Spirit flow" as I write. Principle: The wrong picture in your mind distorts the flow. If you do not purposely maintain a picture of God speaking to the people you are writing to, then another picture will inadvertently, unconsciously appear there. Whatever that picture is, it will be guiding the flow of your writing, making your writing less pure, less anointed, and less powerful. For example, I might unconsciously develop a vision of myself driving my point down my opponent’s throat as I write, or I may recall a picture of some unhealed hurt in my past, and I may vent and steam about that hurt as I write. This causes the flow of my writing to become impure. It is no longer the clear anointed revelation of God. If, as I write, I am picturing Jesus speaking to the reader of the book, THEN FLOW ONLY GIVES TO ME those things my reader needs to read and hear in order to be touched and moved in the direction in which God wants to take him. In this situation, "I" have become transparent, and I am simply bringing together the river of God and the heart of my reader. I have lost my life in Christ as I write. This is so much better than being lost in my own unhealed hurts or my own pride. Principle: Stories touch the heart, ideas touch the mind. If you write in story form, your audience will love you because stories touch the heart and ideas only touch the mind. A book full of ideas may instruct the mind. A book full of stories will move the heart. Long-term change only results from a changed heart. Being a left-brain individual myself, all my early books are left-brain, idea-type books. My more recent books are story books. I believe that is a great improvement in my writing style. Principle: God reasons by painting pictures (Isa. 1:18). First God paints a picture of man’s need, and then a picture of His solution. Note God using this process below:
I suspect painting back-to-back pictures (of man’s needs next to God’s provision) is the most powerful writing and speaking style there is. I recommend this for all writers and speakers, and seek to use it myself. 2. Revise using the RIGHT hemisphere - adding more anointing. As I go back and reread my first draft, more ideas "spring" to my heart and mind. I add them to the manuscript. This is the Spirit filling in, deepening and broadening sections of the book. 3. Revise using the RIGHT hemisphere - until you come to complete peace. I reread the book again, asking my heart if it is at peace about each section and each paragraph. If my heart feels uneasy about anything, I rewrite it until there is peace. The uneasiness is because I have not stated something accurately, properly, or in the right spirit. Keep rewriting until your heart jumps up and screams, "Yes!" Then the anointing upon your manuscript is complete. 4. Revise using the LEFT hemisphere, clarifying each sentence. Now it is time to begin analyzing the book from a logical point of view, making sure all the thoughts are properly connected and build logically upon one another, making sure each sentence and paragraph is clear and cannot be misunderstood. I do this by reading each sentence and asking, "How could my reader misunderstand this sentence?" Then I change anything that could be misunderstood. Generally, I am shortening sentences, switching pronouns to nouns, and doing anything else that will make the thought crystal clear. Principle: Anything that can be misunderstood, will be misunderstood. 5. Revise using the LEFT hemisphere, adding headings throughout. One way of clarifying my thought processes and my readers’ thought processes, and keeping us both tracking together is for me to add headings into the text. These headings may ask questions which I am going to answer in the next several paragraphs, or may make bold statements which I am going to explain. They tend to highlight the movement and transitions of thought and keep the the text more stimulating than 100 pages of solid print. 6. Revise using the LEFT hemisphere, adding documentation and finalizing reference notes. You must always give clear recognition to the sources used in your research with a bibliography and reference notes. Unless a fact is common knowledge (something mentioned by nearly everyone who writes about the subject), you should tell where you learned it. There are three main reasons for this: 1) to preserve your honesty and integrity; 2) to lend authority to your work; and 3) to make it easy for the reader to find out more about the information you have given. To avoid plagiarism, you must give reference notes for all facts, ideas and quotations taken from another person. In addition, if you have not completely paraphrased your source, put quotation marks around the phrase or sentence(s) taken from someone else, as well as giving the reference note. If you are not sure of the proper form of a bibliography and reference notes, refer to an authoritative source in your local library for instruction. 7. Do a final reading, looking to see if you have a good balance between right and left hemispheres. If you become too left-brain, the book will be dry. Add stories whenever it loses spark. If you become too right-brain, there will be many stories but no clear thread which draws them together, and readers will become confused. In this case, add a heading which helps the readers understand why the story has been included, or make an initial or summarizing statement concerning the story. Stage Four: Add personal application questions.
Stage Five: Get critiques and endorsements.
Stage Six: Turn it over to proofers and editors.
Stage Seven: Copyright, publish and market.
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Tuesday, September 18, 2012
jackass-- with patrick j miron commentary--Their first error is again; denial of Christ in the Eucharist,
family guy-----------family guy jackass-- with patrick j miron commentary
well here we go with the one truth with patrick j miron
Their first error is again;
denial of Christ in the Eucharist,
and
the FACT that as Jesus Himself assures us;
“I AM God and I AM Present“,
He therefore deserves and commands the place of honor afforded to Him in Catholic Practice.
That is why the altar if Sacrifice in located front and center.
God becomes Preset on it!
Second; on the issue of “authority.”
Thomas [and most Protestants]
are not recognizing what the Bible ACTUALLY say’s about the Catholic Church teachings Authoritatively,
because it alone is Christ Own Church,
and the One set of faith-beliefs taught and protected by God himself.
The issue is further solidified by the fact that the Bible remains
a Catholic Book, in collection, and in origin of the entire New Testament
which explains then why God ONLY guides the CC in granting His “FULL TRUTH“,
and CORRECT UNDERSTANDING of His Word.
It is extremely important; even vital to recognize that the Protestant claim that the bible; for them, “acts for “as their “god,”
This is based on a complete and total falsehood.
Because God” is not with "them" in the same manner
He IS with us Catholics.
He IS with us Catholics.
The Bible Alone” then acts as the “only and final authority“,
leading Protestants to consistent errors and numerous disagreements within even there own non-catholic ranks.”
YET that same “final authority” is NOT fully accepted, and is often rejected, with amazing consistently, as “common self- selectively” is regularly applied on all of their following positions which are taught in the Bible.
1. Only One God;
Only One set of Faith beliefs,
and Only one church approved,
guided and guarded organization as was set up by Christ.
[John 14:16-17; John 17:15-19; John 20-19-22; Matt. 28:16-20, Matt. 16:18-19].
2. The Primacy of Peter. Jesus gave the key’s to heavens access to Peter and the CC alone.
3. The denial of the proper place and absolute need for the CC as The Primary and Guided Teacher chosen by God
4. The essential Role of grace , especially “sacramental grace“ in BOTH Faith and salvation
5. Salvation issues and how salvation might be possible [clearly NOT OSAS] which denies God’s Divinity and humanities freewill, mind and intellect.
6. Predestination as part of salvation is NOT God’s way [nor the bibles, IF correctly understood.
7. The Seven Sacraments ALL instituted by Christ [explicitly or implicitly] for our benefit.
8. Forgiveness of Sins and how it MUST happen, because God Himself say’s so.
9. That reading the Bible while a good thing;
OFTEN
[as evidenced by the MULTITUDE of Protestant denominations and varying faith-beliefs] ;
is dangerous
when not done in full-accord with
the One Authority guided and honored by God; thee CC.
[Mt.16:15-19; Mt.28:16-20; John 14:16-17; John 17:15-19, John 20:19-22; Eph. 4:1-7, Acts 20:29, Rom. 3:2; Jer. 3:15; 1 John 4:4-5; 2nd. Cor. 11:12-13, All of John chapter six; Mt. 7:21-23, 2nd. Tim. 4:1-4, 2nd. Tim.3:16-17, and 2nd. Peter 2:1-2.]
AND THIS IS only A PARTIAL LIST OF BIBLE PASSAGES THEY DO NOT ACCEPT., so it seems foolish to spend more time on this topic.
well here we go with the one truth with patrick j miron
Their first error is again;
denial of Christ in the Eucharist,
and
the FACT that as Jesus Himself assures us;
“I AM God and I AM Present“,
He therefore deserves and commands the place of honor afforded to Him in Catholic Practice.
That is why the altar if Sacrifice in located front and center.
God becomes Preset on it!
Second; on the issue of “authority.”
Thomas [and most Protestants]
are not recognizing what the Bible ACTUALLY say’s about the Catholic Church teachings Authoritatively,
because it alone is Christ Own Church,
and the One set of faith-beliefs taught and protected by God himself.
The issue is further solidified by the fact that the Bible remains
a Catholic Book, in collection, and in origin of the entire New Testament
which explains then why God ONLY guides the CC in granting His “FULL TRUTH“,
and CORRECT UNDERSTANDING of His Word.
It is extremely important; even vital to recognize that the Protestant claim that the bible; for them, “acts for “as their “god,”
This is based on a complete and total falsehood.
Because God” is not with "them" in the same manner
He IS with us Catholics.
He IS with us Catholics.
The Bible Alone” then acts as the “only and final authority“,
leading Protestants to consistent errors and numerous disagreements within even there own non-catholic ranks.”
YET that same “final authority” is NOT fully accepted, and is often rejected, with amazing consistently, as “common self- selectively” is regularly applied on all of their following positions which are taught in the Bible.
1. Only One God;
Only One set of Faith beliefs,
and Only one church approved,
guided and guarded organization as was set up by Christ.
[John 14:16-17; John 17:15-19; John 20-19-22; Matt. 28:16-20, Matt. 16:18-19].
2. The Primacy of Peter. Jesus gave the key’s to heavens access to Peter and the CC alone.
3. The denial of the proper place and absolute need for the CC as The Primary and Guided Teacher chosen by God
4. The essential Role of grace , especially “sacramental grace“ in BOTH Faith and salvation
5. Salvation issues and how salvation might be possible [clearly NOT OSAS] which denies God’s Divinity and humanities freewill, mind and intellect.
6. Predestination as part of salvation is NOT God’s way [nor the bibles, IF correctly understood.
7. The Seven Sacraments ALL instituted by Christ [explicitly or implicitly] for our benefit.
8. Forgiveness of Sins and how it MUST happen, because God Himself say’s so.
9. That reading the Bible while a good thing;
OFTEN
[as evidenced by the MULTITUDE of Protestant denominations and varying faith-beliefs] ;
is dangerous
when not done in full-accord with
the One Authority guided and honored by God; thee CC.
[Mt.16:15-19; Mt.28:16-20; John 14:16-17; John 17:15-19, John 20:19-22; Eph. 4:1-7, Acts 20:29, Rom. 3:2; Jer. 3:15; 1 John 4:4-5; 2nd. Cor. 11:12-13, All of John chapter six; Mt. 7:21-23, 2nd. Tim. 4:1-4, 2nd. Tim.3:16-17, and 2nd. Peter 2:1-2.]
AND THIS IS only A PARTIAL LIST OF BIBLE PASSAGES THEY DO NOT ACCEPT., so it seems foolish to spend more time on this topic.
Monday, September 17, 2012
Their first error is again; denial of Christ in the Eucharist,---Thomas’ positions is based on a continuation of secular-humanistic-logic.
patricdk j miron
patrick j miron finding the truth --There can only be a single truth per issue [applying logic here],
remember there is a singular truth with patric j miron
Protestant Theology & Catholic Doctrines
Exposed to cover & discover the
“Naked Truth“... Catholic responses to the Booklet:
“Answers to my Catholic Friends” by Thomas F. Heinze part 3
A Catholic reply to Protestant “[mis]- Understandings” Part 3
“WHERE Do the Differences Between Catholics and Come From?”
It ought not be a surprise that
each of Thomas’ positions is based on a continuation of secular-humanistic-logic.
Completely unguided by the Holy Spirit.
There can only be a single truth per issue [applying logic here],
so the position of Thomas seems to be that there was
no biblical truth prior to the formation of our Brethren’s Protestant faith’s [plural],
and there newly discovered and uncovered
“truths‘ after a period of about ONE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED YEARS of ONLY one Faith; the Faith of the Catholic Church.
Their first error is again;
denial of Christ in the Eucharist,
and the FACT that as Jesus Himself assures us;
“I AM God and I AM Present“,
He therefore deserves and commands the place of honor afforded to Him in Catholic Practice.
That is why the altar if Sacrifice in located front and center.
God becomes Preset on it!
Second; on the issue of “authority.”
Thomas [and most Protestants]
are not recognizing what the Bible ACTUALLY say’s about the Catholic Church teachings Authoritatively,
because it alone is Christ Own Church,
and the One set of faith-beliefs taught and protected by God himself.
The issue is further solidified by the fact that the Bible remains
a Catholic Book, in collection, and in origin of the entire New Testament
which explains then why God ONLY guides the CC in granting His “FULL TRUTH“,
and CORRECT UNDERSTANDING of His Word.
It is extremely important; even vital to recognize that the Protestant claim that the bible; for them, “acts for “as their “god,”
This is based on a complete and total falsehood.
Because God” is not with them in the same manner He IS with us Catholics.
The Bible Alone” then acts as the “only and final authority“,
leading Protestants to consistent errors and numerous disagreements within even there own non-catholic ranks.”
YET that same “final authority” is NOT fully accepted, and is often rejected, with amazing consistently, as “common self- selectively” is regularly applied on all of their following positions which are taught in the Bible.
1. Only One God;
Only One set of Faith beliefs,
and Only one church approved,
guided and guarded organization as was set up by Christ.
[John 14:16-17; John 17:15-19; John 20-19-22; Matt. 28:16-20, Matt. 16:18-19].
2. The Primacy of Peter. Jesus gave the key’s to heavens access to Peter and the CC alone.
3. The denial of the proper place and absolute need for the CC as The Primary and Guided Teacher chosen by God
4. The essential Role of grace , especially “sacramental grace“ in BOTH Faith and salvation
5. Salvation issues and how salvation might be possible [clearly NOT OSAS] which denies God’s Divinity and humanities freewill, mind and intellect.
6. Predestination as part of salvation is NOT God’s way [nor the bibles, IF correctly understood.
7. The Seven Sacraments ALL instituted by Christ [explicitly or implicitly] for our benefit.
8. Forgiveness of Sins and how it MUST happen, because God Himself say’s so.
9. That reading the Bible while a good thing; OFTEN [as evidenced by the MULTITUDE of Protestant denominations and varying faith-beliefs] ; is dangerous when not done in full-accord with the One Authority guided and honored by God; thee CC. [Mt.16:15-19; Mt.28:16-20; John 14:16-17; John 17:15-19, John 20:19-22; Eph. 4:1-7, Acts 20:29, Rom. 3:2; Jer. 3:15; 1 John 4:4-5; 2nd. Cor. 11:12-13, All of John chapter six; Mt. 7:21-23, 2nd. Tim. 4:1-4, 2nd. Tim.3:16-17, and 2nd. Peter 2:1-2.]
AND THIS IS only A PARTIAL LIST OF BIBLE PASSAGES THEY DO NOT ACCEPT., so it seems foolish to spend more time on this topic.
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